Sultans had previously married only foreign free noble ladies. [25] Also, in Ottoman society, mothers played more influential roles in their sons' educations and in guiding their careers. She was given many honours after her death. Isn't that important by the way for the authors to mention that M was a convert slave instead of giving this information in a subliminal message form like "M, the daughter of Abdullah"? After Valide Sultan's death, Mahidevran Sultan takes the lead of the harem. Everyone is emphasizing on only one source for the subjected woman that is of Leslie P. Peirce's and simply ignoring those sources/references/theories they don't like. The name Roxalane derives from Roksolanes, which was the generic term used by the Ottomans to describe girls from Podolia and Galicia who were taken in slave raids. Around 1530, Mustafa was appointed to govern Manisa, as a part of his education and old Turkish tradition. In attempting to avoid the execution of her sons, Hurrem used her influence to eliminate those who supported Mustafa's accession to the throne. [6][7][8] Her native language was Ruthenian, the precursor to modern Ukrainian. Museum of Turkish and Islamic Arts, The Hagia Sophia Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse built in 1556, Haseki Sultan of Suleiman the Magnificent, Content in this edit is translated from the existing Turkish Wikipedia article at. Best. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], We see that Birinci Kadin is what a woman who has bore a first child; you're overlooking what I said: it was Hurrem who married legally Suleyman and broke the 200 hundred tradition, not Mahidevran; in any case, she can't be called a sultana. Moreover, he was famous for his generosity and fair decisions. A few years later, Marvin died of natural causes after reportedly being hospitalized after experiencing chest pains On 13th March 2021, Marvin Hagler unexpectedly passed away in his New Hampshire home. Since founded in 2002, no complaint about the unreliability of it's sources has been made by Turkey Govt. In 1553, Mustafa was very famous in Anatolia. There was a seal on the back of the letter. In his 1551 letter to Sigismund II concerning the embassy of Piotr Opaliski, Suleiman wrote that the Ambassador had seen "Your sister and my wife." [9], During the reign of Selim I,[10] which means some time between 1512 and 1520, Crimean Tatars kidnapped her during one of their CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe. She is called "Mahidevran Hatun Valide Sultan Mustafa" which is translated as "Empress Mahidevran mother of Prince Mustafa". It is explicitly explained that the title "Haseki Sultan" was created when Hrrem married Suleyman. 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She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. The series follows the reign of Sultan Sleyman (r. 1520-1566), known in the West as Suleiman the Magnificent. Categories: 1500 births. [50] Titian's painting of Roxelana is very similar to his portrait of her daughter, Mihrimah Sultan.[49]. Mahidevran was his most trustable advisor as well as chief of his harem. [11] After the wedding, the idea circulated that the sultan had limited his autonomy and was dominated and controlled by his wife. Friday Social Amazing volunteers host Christmas dinner. [33] It is also rumored that Hurrem Sultan conspired against Mustafa with the help of her daughter and son-in-law Rustem Pasha; they wanted to portray Mustafa as a traitor who secretly contacted the Shah of Iran. Here are some sources (regardless of their nature) they contradicts the motion that she wasn't called Sultan. I oppose changing the title from Sultan to Hatun. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2: Two of your sources are at stake (Colin Iber's and Peirce's), please read page 136 of Colin's book, this gives definition of Slave in general term, so calling any member of Sultan's family a slave does not necessarily makes them a slave by origin, and P simply used a text from Alberi, P herself only called M a concubine. Likewise Abdullah Frres's children were not slaves by nature. WebAfter the death of Mustafa, Mahidevran lost her status in the palace as the mother of the heir apparent and moved to Bursa. This tells how important and high ranking Birinci Kadins were (see any ottoman dictionary you like to see what Birinci Kadin means and what was their positions in early history of Ottoman.) Mahidevran and Mustafa lost one more time, now Selim (the second son of Hrrem) became the governor of the Manisa. Sorry, but the page you are looking for doesn't exist. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I even request the deletion of dubious page of her alleged father but you are not admitting that you may be wrong here. She was the grandmother of Murad III. Partly. Its was Mahidevrans fault that Sultan Suleiman focused all his attention on Hrrem Sultana. Simply because Mahidevran was too proud and wan Reply[reply], Sort it out. Her greatest philanthropical work was the Great Waqf of AlQuds, a large soup kitchen in Jerusalem that fed the poor. Moreover, remaining in Istanbul, she moved out of the harem located in the Old Palace (Eski Saray) and permanently moved into the Topkap Palace after a fire destroyed the old harem. What matters is, as Nurbanu wasn't a legal wife, she was still a kadin; she is mentioned as a sultana in wikipedia because she became Valide Sultan. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! After the executions, Mahidevran moved to Bursa to build a proper grave for her son and lived there until her death in 1581. [16]:132 Although she was Suleiman's wife, she exercised no official public role. Also I would like to repeat a point I made earlier, the interview with her alleged descendant cannot be overlooked. Please consider all sources available. Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], --Phso2 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Hi again, sorry I noticed now you added "suggests she was a cariye, thus of non-notable family" I will have to remove it because the source only called her Cariye and did not specifically says that she was of non-notable family. With many other revolutionary movements like these, she had started an era in Ottoman Empire called the Reign of Women. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "Denying a deceased person of its possible title" you just put yourself in evidence here. Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why is she called Mahidevran Sultan in this article? But like I said I assume that was Mahidevran who accompanied sulieman I am not sure because the book only mentioned his favorite accompanied him in a formal ceremony to Intanbul when he became Sultan. Pathetic joke!! [3] She entered the Imperial Harem, rose through the ranks and became the favourite of Sultan Suleiman. The letters also suggest Hurrem's strong desire to establish personal contact with the king. () LUCKYEYE GROUP ALSO MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES AS TO WHETHER THE INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE VIA THIS WEB SITE, OR ANY WEB SITE WITH WHICH IT IS LINKED, IS ACCURATE, COMPLETE, OR CURRENT. No title is suitable for this page, niether Sultan nor Hatun since users can't agree. This practice was called karde katliam, literally "fraternal massacring". "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. I think she was chief consort but later lost her position though she remained first wife. Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. WebAnd Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of At age 26 Suleiman takes the throne. Raziye was born 1519, as daughter of sleyman and flane hatun. And you Sir, just decided to crash in and make an edit. Please don't get personal here it's just a talk page. She wrote, "My dearest Sultan! Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.138.199 (talk) 06:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], I removed a painting of Rosne Pranvere from the article. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The thing is, unlike yours, I'm not fabricating a theory! .mw-parser-output .brokenref{display:none}Cite error: There are
tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=note}} template (see the help page). [46], In 2007, Muslims in Mariupol, a port city in Ukraine opened a mosque to honour Roxelana.[47]. Simply put, a natural death is one that occurs due to an internal factor that causes the body to shut down, such as cancer, heart disease or diabetes. Also, a Sultana was a woman in Sultan's family, being a mother of heir apparent living in the Harem at the same time the title Haseki was used for Hurrem, it can be asserted that she was also called Sultana, due to the fact that in her time (when Hurrem came along) Sultana title was already started being used for royal consorts regardless if they were haseki or not, see example of Mahfiruz Hatice Sultan, who was niether haseki nor Valide. Despite the fact that male European artists were denied access to Hurrem in the Harem, there are many Renaissance paintings of the famous sultana. She is part of the love triangle with Lloyd and Poppy. As far as I have researched, every Web verifying organization has approved of it. After the death of Suleiman's other sons and his ascension to the throne in 1520 she acquired the rank of mother of the Sultan's eldest son. Mahidevran's name ( Turkish pronunciation: [mahidevan], Persian: ) means "one who is always beautiful", "one whose beauty never fades" or "beauty of the times" in Persian. Takabeg (talk) 09:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], Someone needs to check the pronunciation: stress and vowel length. Simply click 'close' in the top right corner to continue reading! While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. These incidents launched a series of events which culminated in his execution in 1536 by Suleiman's order. Imber, Colin (2002). "The Speech of Ibrahim at the Coronation of Maximilian II", Thomas Conley. Scholars have wondered if Hurrem's alliance with Mihrimah Sultan and Rstem Pasha helped secure the throne for one of Hurrem's sons. If it was up to people making subjective propositions for every wikipedia page, then there would be millions of the same subject; there can't be 6 billion wikipedia pages of the sun, there can't be 6 billion pages wikipedia pages of earth, and of course there can't be 6 billion pages of Mahidevran. Let me repeat it; why didn't popular culture ever mentioned another Hatun ranked consort a Sultan? There have been novels written in other languages: in French, a fictionalized biography by Willy Sperco (1972); in German, a novel by Johannes Tralow (1944, reprinted many times); a very detailed novel in Serbo-Croatian by Radovan Samardzic (1987); one in Turkish by Ulku Cahit (2001). WebMahidevranwas born on January 01, 1500 (died on February 03, 1581, she was 81 years old) in Bosporus. Invalid memorial. WebDeaths in June 2017 passed! Mahidevran Sultan once hit hurrem untill her face turned to a bloody puddle, something that didn't please the sultan. Hurrem also unlike Mahidevran Through her husband, she played an active role in affairs of the state. [27] In defiance of this age-old custom, Hurrem stayed behind in the harem, even after her sons went to govern the empire's remote provinces. [16]:131 After Hrrem resided at Topkap it became known as the New Palace (saray- jedid).[28]. The source is "BBC your paintings". [17], Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, partially suppressed the rivalry between the two women. According to him, Mahidevran Sultan was the daughter of Prince Idar Temryuk.Was it really so? [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. Prince Idar took this as an opportunity to make a good relationship with their rapidly spending neighboring dynasty, as young Prince Sulieman was only a few year older (if not the same age) than his most beautiful daughter. [18] According to Bernardo Navagero's report, as a result of the bitter rivalry a fight between the two women broke out, with Mahidevran beating Hurrem, which angered Suleiman. For the first and only time in the Ottoman Empire, a female sultan exchanged letters with a king. "She was said to have been the most beautiful girl in the dynasty and out-stood in beauty in a land which was known for it. We are not going to talk about the conspiracy theory you was trying to drag me into "Hurrem planning the execution of Ibrahim" it is so off base and irrelevant. For the series' last season, she is portrayed by Turkish actress Vahide Perin. She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love. Leslie P. Peirce has written that it may have been either Anastasia, or Aleksandra Lisowska. While "XXX son of Abdullah" maybe a son of a convert slave, you cannot say that Khalid son of Abdullah or Hussein son of Abdullah are also slaves. After the death of Suleiman's mother Hafsa Sultan in 1534, Hurrem's influence in the palace increased, and she took over the ruling of the Harem. Hatun is used for every other lady in Turkish and Persian language. Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. During the campaign against Safavid Persia in 1553, because of fear of rebellion, Suleiman ordered the execution of Mustafa. [11], Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem engaged in several major works of public buildings, from Makkah to Jerusalem (Al-Quds), perhaps modelling her charitable foundations in part after the caliph Harun al-Rashid's consort Zubaida. Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.124.138 (talk) 14:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], SO many false claimed about Mahidevran and a daughter of Sleyman , who called Raziye. I think it is obvious that the exception would have been made at that time for a non-Haseki consort to be called a Sultan. Depriving someone of their last name or title for your own satisfaction is NOT just, it's highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. 8:02Am Jun 6, 2017 morning to take a look at it dazzling performances that the Inbetweener on the film, the voice behind the character Wallace who h And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. Now Mahidevran became a chief consort as a mother of the only prince in the Empire. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her first son (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. She was not a sultana, she was a Birinci Kadin , therefore if any "royal title" should be used to her name it should be that; this is highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. If interviews can be cited in Wikipedia for every living or dead person, why there is so much debate in this one? Prominent Ukrainian writer Pavlo Zahrebelny describes Hurrem as "an intelligent, kind, understanding, openhearted, candid, talented, generous, emotional and grateful woman who cares about the soul rather than the body; who is not carried away with ordinary glimmers such as money, prone to science and art; in short, a perfect woman."[43]. Manisa was the most important province, and according to the tradition, only the favourite prince could be appointed there. And there is no problem in distinguishing the difference between her, Gulfem Hatun and Fulane Hatun. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? This did not, however, prevent Hurrem from wielding powerful political influence. And for your information, if you read all the wikipedia articles, all women that didn't marry the sultan stayed as hatun unless they became Valide (as Nurbanu). Minna Rozen: A History of the Jewish Community in Istanbul, The Formative Years, 1453 1566 (2002). Letempsviendra (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], Phso 2 You are saying that Leslie P. Pierce told n his book that for the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hurrem all the other consorts carried an alternative title Hatun.But my freind you should also know that,Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). Most other sixteenth-century Western sources on Hurrem, which are considered highly authoritative today such as Turcicae epistolae (English: The Turkish Letters) of Ogier de Busbecq, the Emissary of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I at the Porte between 1554 and 1562; the account of the murder of ehzade Mustafa by Nicholas de Moffan; the historical chronicles on Turkey by Paolo Giovio; and the travel narrative by Luidgi Bassano derived from hearsay.[11]. [11], Even the reports of the Venetian ambassadors (baili) at Suleiman's court, the most extensive and objective first-hand Western source on Hurrem to date, were often filled with the authors own interpretations of the harem rumours. But with the same decree, Mustafa was appointed to govern Konya (middle Anatolia). Around 1541, the Venetian ambassador wrote that Mustafa foundeda great court in Amasya, which paralleled that of his father. She had been a servant in the household of Hanerli Fatma Sultan, daughter of ehzade Mahmud, son of Sultan Bayezid II. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], A few sources does claim she was a wife. Mahidevran wasn't a legal wife nor became the mother of a reigning sultan; you should read your own sources too, since it specifies the differences between a concubine and a legal wife.190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Sorry I am not making excuses I just refuse to believe that a "Brinci Kadin" wasn't called Sultana when she was serving as a mother of heir apparent and living in the Harem the same time title "Sultan" was started being used for Sultan's consorts. Also please keep the recent source in mind about an interview with her alleged descendant. God willing, it will go away as soon as you return to the city. Mahidevran Turbesi6.jpg 315 470; 18 KB. In the end, they fought and Mahidevran beat Hrrem or Hrrem let herself be beaten. Amasya was one of the farthest provinces from the capital. In one of her letters, she wrote: Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan: "Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Actually you are the one making subjective propositions here. Popular culture calls her that way because in some theatre plays she's erroneously addressed like that, just as any work of FICTION. WebMahidevran Turbesi3.jpg 315 470; 22 KB. No need to change the title. [16]:132, Many years later, towards the end of Suleiman's long reign, the rivalry between his sons became evident. She often suffered from lack of money 2 until Suleimans death; Sultan Selim II later increased her income to help her. Learn how your comment data is processed. Her influence with Suleiman made her one of the most powerful women in Ottoman history and in the world at that time. You can infer and speculate and theorize all you want, but history is history and I find it highly disrespectful and arrogant that you think your abstractions are worth more than the reality of events. [35], She built mosque complexes in Adrianopole and Ankara. Mahidevran Sultan probably had a stillborn child or short-lived daughter somewhere between 1521 and 1524. Therefore they can't be used. Please, change the title to simply "Mahidevran"; all the other speculation can remain in the biography part. She died in 1558, in Istanbul and was buried in a mausoleum within the Sleymaniye Mosque complex. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Circassian or Albanian? [34], Although the stories about Hurrem's role in executions of Ibrahim, Mustafa, and Kara Ahmed are very popular, actually none of them are based on first-hand sources. Again it's just my opinion to me it looks like a fact. On the case of Roxelana, it was a nickname she was given that didn't elevate or lowered her status and wasn't a direct reflection of Ottoman culture but more of the influence she had on history. Later, Hurrem became the first woman to remain in the sultan's court for the duration of her life. The reason I call for a page title is to respect Ottoman customs and history, nothing more. This tradition was called Sancak Beylii. Adding something as controversial as ""she was a slave"" as can be seen here would only draw unnecessary attention of the fans and/or may or may not be alleged descendants, as your content was more like a statement rather than a neutral point of view. [8] However it is clear,that Mahidevran Sultan also carried the title Sultan as she was the first main chief consort (Ba Kadn). She probably acted as the sultan's advisor, wrote diplomatic letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (r.15481572) and patronized major public works (including the Haseki Sultan Complex and the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse). That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. There must be only one, with correct facts that inform people with the necessary information, and the reader, not the editor, is the one who makes the interpretation. Whatever sources we can find, half of them supports the Hatun theory, the other half supports Sultan theory. Although he never visited Istanbul, he either imagined her appearance or had a sketch of her. The poem in the show was written by Mustafa's companion, Yayha Bey. In real life, Yayha Bey also did write a poem too. So it was not Suleiman himse You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. The proportion of cardiovascular deaths decreased from 69% in 19791984 to 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Excuse me one more time. The use of "sultan" for a consort came with the title Haseki, because the full title was Haseki Sultan (Devletl smetlu (given name) Haseki Sultn Aliyyet'-n Hazretleri)that is why. I shall wait for your response until few days then revert your changes, if you are unable to prove that this "Abdullah" was indeed a slave and not a free person, in which case, M would have been a "gifted wife" (married to S not legally but rather tough Nikah 'urfi). Mustafa was later accused of causing unrest. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. The army, the governors and thepeople loved Mustafa dearly. Glbahar (given name) 1500s births. - Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Wow, it seems you desperately did some personal research, you have all the time in the world don't you? [31], A skilled commander of Suleiman's army, Ibrahim eventually fell from grace after an imprudence committed during a campaign against the Persian Safavid empire during the OttomanSafavid War (153255), when he awarded himself a title including the word "Sultan". Concubine by definition is not a slave. Something that interests me is how a popular notion can sound very appealing. First of all, many claims as to what happened in the harem are comple Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Crown. Your email address will not be published. -Le temps viendra (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Clear this matter Le temps Viendra Khondoker Jobair (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mentioned her survival possible after Hurrem a death is not sound real. Therefore, Suleiman had to announce that he sent Mustafa to the Persian border for safety reasons. In a letter to Philip II of Spain, the painter claims to have sent him a copy of this "Queen of Persia" in 1552. New Zealand Look up Idar of Karbardia, he did existed and like I said "even if there is a slightest possibility" then making a statement would be wrong. Her love of poetry is considered one of the reasons behind her being heavily favoured by Suleiman, who was a great admirer of poetry. She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. I guess the authors were inspired by Illuminatis;) (just a joke, no offense) Anyway, I can't argue with you, I can only simply ask for an admin's attention to all of your WP:OR. [23], Hurrem became the first consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit The one denying a deceased person of it's possible Title, a full name you may call. Whether this phrase refers to a warm friendship between the Polish King and Ottoman Haseki, or whether it suggests a closer relation, the degree of their intimacy definitely points to a special link between the two states at the time. I badly need a reliable source to back either claim. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. 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