BEH Stapeltons win is a great story. 1:04 pm. I wish they would, but I doubt country radio and profit only labels will ever allow it. Just because he wrote some saccharine fluff for the publishing company doesnt mean that is a representation of who he is as an artist. Now, could he enact a change similar to what Randy Travis did, and usher in a new era with more traditional country music? Just because Timberlake is more liked than most pop stars in country and beyond, doesnt remove the fact that hes still a pop star, and one who got his start in a boy band to boot. EPISODE 113: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN A-Block (1:44) SPECIAL COMMENT: Now that George Santos has been tied financially to the cousin of a sanctioned Russian Oil Oligarch, and Speaker Kevin McCarthy has confirmed he won't move to oust him, the Democrats have to run with the gift the Republicans have given them. Too good to pass up! There were definitely moments in his career when that was the case, when he was out on the road with the SteelDrivers and the Jompson Brothers paying dues. It Means Nothing The first time I recall hearing him was listening to the Steel Drivers, then later I heard his version of Tennessee Whiskey on Pandora and it blew me away. November 13, 2015 @ (Sorry I just watched the Penguins beat the Canadiens so Ive got hockey on the brain) Devil Anse I was just using Hunter Hayes as an example thats all. That said, above all else, all I ask for is AUTHENTICITY to the kind of music one performs. And Ill happily admit it. Just because youre poor, you consider everything thats not indebted to Waylon fuckin watasha Jennings sissy pop, and you may or may not have a Hank3 skeleton tattoo on your back doesnt mean youre not a hipster. I cant say how much Ive respected your work for years, and what a direct impact youve had in what is happening right now with the success of Chris Stapleton and many others. 11:51 am. Trabbi Goes to Hollywood. January 24, 2016 @ GregN For every person I have seen saying Chris Stapleton is a country music savior, Ive seen 20 complaining about it, and then using that fact that some people are calling him a savior to tear his music apart. I just know hes good. November 20, 2015 @ November 12, 2015 @ Its just the marketplace for petes sake, and damn it, Im tired of the implication that I should second-guess myself for NOT flipping through radio stations and scrolling through iTunes as if I were a minuteman on patrol. There is absolutely no financial benefit to what happened for anyone but Stapleton and his label. I PERFORMED, PLAYED AND PRODUCED C&W WHEN IT HAD A HEART. When people ask what I like I just tell em good music. Stapleton co-wrote the song with Barry Bales and Ronnie Bowman. Thats my rebuttal against the He Wrote Terrible Pop Country Songs for Bad Country Stars, Ive not turned on the real radio dial in nearly ten fucking years because I chose not to and in doing so Ive avoided those songs and instead focused on the real thing. 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Hunter Hayes has zero emotion in his voice, you feel nothing when he sings. Jack Williams Bloozer It doesnt mean we should let our guard down, but it does mean things are changing. You cant expect anything else from anyone. He is boring, his songs are boring. Some are saying Stapletons wins were all a ploy to lure traditional country fans back in the fold, or otherwise anoint a new star that they can then turn into the next Luke Bryan. Theyre authentic, engaging and smart as hell. Is anybody knowledgeable really saying that? Linda Williams Florida Georgia Line is becoming a relic real fast. It was an inevitability that protesting Everton fans who stayed back after the final whistle chanted "sack the board" - they've been saying that since the shambolic 4-1 capitulation against Brighton & Hove Albion 11 days earlier - but while calls of "You're not fit to run the club" followed during the post-match sit . I enjoy the taste of their salty tears. Fox News ' Laura Ingraham attacked Capitol Police officers on her Wednesday night show. As a country fan, to not sit back and enjoy the success Stapleton has found because you assume he will let you down seems like an unnecessary deprivation not based on anything but suspicion. November 11, 2015 @ Dennis Ryans Ive seen him singing an old Ray Price song and wow, if there will ever be a country music savior, that should be him. On the other hand, Jamey was more of an outsider. Good Article. But who exactly is declaring Chris Stapleton a country music savior? George Jones Tribute at The Barnwood Bravo Theater / Kellies Homestead Restaurant on 2023-11-04 17:30:00 -0500. . June 26, 2019 @ November 11, 2015 @ I was going to post a response this morning, but it was so littered with F bombs, I made myself walk away from the whole thing for 24 hours. 2:28 pm. Trigger 9:12 pm. Most of these folks, that arent mainstream, we get a first impression through their voice, not image. Many young adults (mid 20s and younger (even females)) areloving Traveler. I bought it the day it was released. January 1, 2018 @ That is how Country Music will be saved. Ray Charles was not country and a pop star, but he had the respect of country fans. 1 Starting Over 4:00 2 Devil Always Made Me Think Twice 3:52 3 Cold 5:10 4 When I'm With You 3:44 5 Arkansas 2:58 6 Joy Of My Life 4:35 7 Hillbilly Blood 4:05 8 Maggie's Song 3:31 9 Whiskey Sunrise 3:22 10 Worry B Gone 3:16 11 Old Friends 4:02 12 Watch You Burn 4:03 13 You Should Probably Leave 3:33 14 Nashville, TN 3:36 December 25, 2016 @ Its a good song but not country. THERE IS A CRY ON THE HORIZON, THE DEATH OF COUNTRY & WESTERN MUSIC, A TOPIC GARNERING OVER 800,000,000 RESULTS ON GOOGLE ALONE WITH SURGES ON THE DEATHS OF TEXAS LEGENDS GEORGE JONES AND RAY PRICE AS THE FRIENDS AND FANS OF C&W CHAT, TEXT, TWEET, BLOG, POST AND PEN THEIR DISENCHANTMENT WITH THE NASHVILLE MUSIC MONGRELS EFFORTS TO END THE SOVEREIGNTY OF C&W MUSIC FANS AROUND THE WORLD AND TURN THE PEOPLES MUSIC INTO SOMETHING OF LEGAL TENDER FOR CONGLOMERATES, ARTISTS, AND CEOS WHO CARE LITTLE FOR THE MUSIC, OR THE PEOPLE AND THE HISTORY, HERITAGE, CULTURE OR PLACE OF ORIGIN. To all the haters who were glad to see us go and really thought I was closing do Going to be around for a long time because he is talented , not because of Bobby dukes Whether he is considered a savior or not, I find Stapletons sound a refreshing relief from the current wave of what I call bubblegum country. 3:11 pm. Where you dont have to wait to hear or read the credits to know whos singing. Just so happens, his trash has been treasure for less talented artists. 1:12 pm. Chris Stapleton will be a superstar within a year or two. I dont think they fall off in the traditional scene, their genre did just a switcheroo on them. How can people be against him? Im interested to know. Its moments like Chris Stapletons wins where we dont need to rest on our laurels, but double the efforts explain the virtues of true country music. Great Band). It is worth mentioning that Stapletons intersection of rock, blues, folk and country is pretty much exactly my sweet spot. I say good for him. Arthur Mensor Think about how long it takes a person to become just average on the guitar and then wonder what level of perfection is required to play like a Stapleton, or Campbell, or Jerry Reed; the list is fairly long but the fact remains that as a percentage of those who call themselves active musicians, songwriters and vocalists, the list of those that hit it big is VERY short. November 11, 2015 @ Or I might. And despite some bumps (and punches) in their relationship, Jennings and Jones remained friends until Waylon's death in 2002. Storm Warning was actually a good song on its own merit, but it hasnt stood up particularly well because it sounds too similar in tone with Rascal Flatts, for instance. Posted on 17 December 2021 by . Kendrick Lamar's verse is fire. Exactly! Great point! 11:51 am, [] Country Musics Trigger led a tour of The Case Against Chris Stapleton As Country Musics Savior, concluding that some people are entirely too mistrustful of actual good things that come their [], The Justin Bieber-One Direction Race Is Too Close To Call - Stereogum Thanks for clarifying! And Im not padding in a puddle of effects to disguise one of the instruments that helped to define country music. November 11, 2015 @ . Traveler isnt as traditional and isnt as dark and gritty. November 11, 2015 @ November 11, 2015 @ Sounds youre the entitled type just because you live near him. Its a victory for traditional country, for independent country, for alt-country and Americana, and for bluegrassall of which is embodied in the Chris Stapleton career and sound. The song was released in November 2015 as the singer's third single overall. Half of Traveller is more informed by blues, soul and rock influences, if were being truthful here. And he told me the people who dont like will are people who cant write like him . Because he is pokey. November 11, 2015 @ 3:53 pm. Nadia Lockheart Lol. November 13, 2015 @ November 12, 2015 @ I apologize for sounding harsh. Hey, not all music is for everyone. He even said this in his speech. 6:44 pm, he sucks as a singer . Hell no. Hell, my wife loves Chriss music but she also really digs Lady Antebelllum. His recent cover of a Merle Haggard song was equally lackluster. November 11, 2015 @ November 13, 2015 @ November 13, 2015 @ I dont fault him. To put it another way, he has many of the tools that can shape well-rounded performers, but lacks range or applied knowledge in how to use them. November 20, 2015 @ 1:32 pm. Hermine Huntgeburth. Although, honestly (or perhaps unfortunately) Willie has sung duets with artists with far less credibility, whether in the country music world or otherwise, than Ray Charles. Im gonna have to check it out, though. Anyone who suspects George Jones in any of this harassment or the arson is operating from a place of pure fantasy based in knowing approximately nothing about Jones. No, no it doesnt. The garbage that has flowed in the guise of music has been distressing, the formulaic, hyper compressed; lacking artist identity drivel has left us performing golden oldies to supplement our own compositions. Chris Stapleton Isnt Traditional Country November 11, 2015 @ I for one was thrilled to see Chris walk away with all those awards the other night! 2:34 pm. November 12, 2015 @ Then when the voters actually got their cards in front of them they said, Well hell, if it was up to me, Stapleton would win. And lo and behold, he did. Eric Church Drops a Doozy; New Peter Cooper Record Out Tomorrow; 2016 Ameripolitan Awards Nominees | Country California will probably just go back to the simple, moronic pop and hip hop music from whence they came. From conspiracy theories, to downright vitriol and venom for Stapleton, not everybody is on board, especially when you start talking about him in the context of a country music savior.. Megan Conley If folks realize they were missing out on some damn good country music for awhile it may make them seek out others theyve been missing. Trigger As Tompall Glaser once said, Damn it, the fight isnt in Austin and it isnt in Los Angeles. Still, the term is useful to me, because a lot of the artists I love are tagged with it, and some even embrace it (e.g., Isbell, Jim Lauderdale, Ray Wylie Hubbard). 12:37 pm. It just took a while for it to reveal itself as one. Most of us have had shitty jobs. Kale 1:55 pm. Well, isnt that lovely. If anyone is listening to Stapleton with their eyes, theyre missing out. His new album sucks, but it isnt because he traded his flannel and blue jeans for a suit and tie. 11:56 am. 11:59 am. Stapleton paid dues, and dont let anyone convince you otherwise. Nobody's Lonesome For Me. He was a music artist and actor, known for Ad Astra (2019), Only the Brave (2017) and Crazy Heart (2009). Elizabeth Short Was Discovered On January 15, 1947 (PCM) It was on January 15, 1947 that one of the country's most famous unsolved murder cases began with the discovery of the mutilated corpse of waitress Elizabeth Short in Leimert Park, Los Angeles, California. Sturgill Simpson might be a good case study for that question. Ive not seen anyone work harder in this business & only few work as hard. November 11, 2015 @ I get why he had to succumb to the Nashville songwriting machine to get his spurs in the door, but now that he has become a breakout star, theres no incentive for him to continue resorting to that. Same with, say, Easton Corbin. But to say that he is a pop songwriter that all of a sudden flipped a light switch when it came to his own music to fool everyone is an aberration of the facts when taking into consideration the full breadth of his songwriting work. Everyone has a right to good music, just like everyone has a right to good food and water. That would result in a dimensional anomaly that would cause the catastrophic annihaltion of the entire universe! Blame Jones Discography - Download Albums in Hi-Res - Qobuz Home > Blame Jones Blame Jones Listen on Qobuz See in the magazine Share Discography Sort and filter releases 0 64 album (s) Sorted by Bestseller 1 of 4 Acoustic Versions Blame Jones Pop - Released by Tristar Records on 28 Sep 2018 16-Bit CD Quality 44.1 kHz - Stereo Starting at 10.85 Smokey J. I lied, I cant give up. They have fallen off and need to be brought back into the spotlight. November 12, 2015 @ November 12, 2015 @ Chris Lewis "Louie" Lets enjoy these moments instead of fabricating reasons to believe theyre destined to be fleeting. Im talking about looking like Luke Bryan or like Blake Shelton or any number of mainstream country radio stars. He does do that and very well, but he also does other genres always has. Sturgill Simpson could sing in circles around Stapleton. Trigger This was one of the very first things I noticed about him, having only very recently heard a song of his and knowing absolutely nothing else about him. We all have different tastes. November 12, 2015 @ He shook hands and schmoozed with everyone. Cool Lester Smooth Heard them on the Rogan podcast a couple years back. When he stops, not even the Grand Ole Opry will be able to survive. And Stapleton delivers that in spades on Traveller, regardless if the track is more dripping with country, blues, soul or rock flavors. Well said, and point taken. 5:29 pm. Chris Stapleton has opened a LOT of new ears young and old alike to the music of Sturgill , Cody, Colter and Tyler ,even great bluegrass artists from Billy Strings to Molly Tuttle etc and from there they dig deeper and discover everyone from George Jones and Waylon Townes Van Zandt, Guy Clark, Emmylou Harris etc the only reason these people never knew they loved Country music before hearing Chris was because they thought Country was the crap being played on radio (i.e. . Did people back then think Travis Tritt and Waylon were not country?you sure did. , Enjoy Every Sandwich Otherwise, its harmless. nobody to blame george jones. That being said, I wouldnt mind hearing Chris play those bro-country songs hes getting slammed for writing. And I got G nobody to blame but D me (Lick) I got G nobody to blame but D me (Lick) D She broke all my fishing rods, put my guns in hock D Threw my clothes out in the yard and changed out all the locks And I got G nobody to blame but m D e (Lick) G. D I got nobody to blame but me (Lick) Chorus: D I know right where I went wrong Ill answer that for myself. Jobs that we werent proud of or didnt like. December 3, 2015 @ November 11, 2015 @ The industry sees the value of keep traditional country and its fans in the fold. I bet you the album will be fairly highly ranked in the No Depression Readers Poll. 5:43 pm. 1:32 pm. The finished product was made available on Jones' 1986 LP, One to One. He left RCA, but only to return to Music Row two albums later when he signed with Columbia to release Red Headed Stranger. No need to apologize Robby. Some of them include artists whove been at this for a long time. With a song like South Side, theres no excusing it. Being from Tennessee I did not know A reader on the No Depression website once wrote that when he says likes Americana music, its like hes lying about something, but he doesnt know what. They arent listening to it, theyre listening to Chris Stapleton. It rambles along like the best from Waylon while providing a de facto education to the 21st century boy. November 12, 2015 @ He also is a very nice guy who has paid his dues. Once again, lets hold our horses. November 11, 2015 @ Ive been back & forth w/many on everything from it aint country to whether I was sitting on a bail of hay when I played steel on it..I realize its useless to try to reason w/someone who searches for anything to complain about. November 11, 2015 @ Good music is infectious. Those are the facts. Sorry, had to. Its not ideal, but its also not the antithesis of traditional country some are portraying it to be. 11:21 am. Brilliant article! And honey, I stay stoned on your love all the time. Theyre definitely less country than most of his other stuff, and less so than pretty much anything on Traveller. 3:40 pm, I cant speak for anyone else and wont, but my answer is No, I dont write performers and entertainers off based on fashion selections, haircuts and other superficial details irrelevant to the music!. Lyrics to Chris Stapleton Nobody to Blame: She took down the photograph Of our wedding day Ripped it down the middle And threw my half away And I got nobody to blame but me I got nobody to blame but me She broke all my fishing rods Put my guns in hock Threw. Im honestly interested to know who, in your mind, doesnt suck. Price . Ill have to check him out. Was SHUNNED by the country purists. Oh snap! RAM is owned by Chrysler and they are made at the Warren Truck Plant in Warren, Michigan. November 12, 2015 @ Of course it is! Mule I dont think there will ever be a saviour , but real talent/country singers will make it to the top as a team. Trigger one question has been eating at me since the CMAs. dukes And also, how many people write off someone like Hunter based on his looks. Pete Marshall Its too sad, too dark, too traditional. Now I did go a little crazy @the end of Might As Well Get Stoned & even then, the solo keeps going, keeps going, keeps going.. Theres a lot of grace and humility I sense surrounding him, and I think he is aware of what got him to a bigger stage above all else. All he has to do is upset the status quo, and hes done that. November 11, 2015 @ Mule 5:52 pm. This is what happens when people try to make subjective taste into a moral issue, or make edictal proclamations about it. He collaborated with Thomas Rhett and others. I didnt spend enough time with the record to have any cogent explanation for that reaction; he just left me cold. Chris Stapleton still remains very much an anomaly, not an entire paradigm shift in country music. Standard Tuning Capo 2 Intro: G, Em, C, G Verse: G (F# (as a note backing down)) If I hadn't have stayed gone Em You'd have never been alone C G But then I wouldnt be on this road that I'm on G If I'd chose not to say, help Em I could have done a lot of things C G But then this feeling inside . Not surprised you couldnt figure out how to comment since you couldnt read past the title and understand were on the same side. R Chop Rebound. Im not saying theres not enough, or its not there at all. However, the very specific way he was able to get himself a major label deal, and walk away from the 2015 CMA Awards with three trophies was by working the system as a songwriter. Trigger I also seen the Time Jumpers, Chuck Meade, Sarah Gayle Meech, Matt Woods, Jimmy Stewart and Friends and finished my trip seeing Cory Brannan and Jason Isbell at a sold out show at the gorgeous Tivoli theatre in Chttanooga. Howard Jones - No One Is To Blame (1986, Vinyl) - Discogs Release [r510500] Copy Release Code Edit Release All Versions of this Release Data Correct Add to Collection Add to Wantlist Marketplace 80 For Sale from $0.37 Buy Vinyl Sell Vinyl Statistics Have: 433 Want: 14 Avg Rating:3.79 / 5 Ratings: 24 Last Sold:May 1, 2022 Lowest:$0.92 Median:$1.57 November 11, 2015 @ Stapletons songwriting isnt so deep as to be inaccessible to the majority. 2:37 pm. So you mean someone who looks like Johnny Cash or Merle Haggard did in the 60s? 7:05 pm. Trigger 4:00 am. 11:14 am. I always think of it likes this..A kid graduates high school, lands a construction job and gets married. Not everyone has to like Stapletons music. 1:30 pm, Well if nothing else he has been great for the comment sections for the last few days, Kale If they leverage playing bro country songs into being allowed to make the type of album they want to make, rather than something pumped out of the Nashville Machine, we should give them the benefit of the doubt, too. South Side is unforgivablebut at the same time, a man has to eat. Jobs that we may have liked but worked for a company known for fucking people over. I dont have a problem with Joe Nichols putting out songs like Yeah, because he does it so that he can cut stuff like Billy Grahams Bible., Chris Gilmore November 12, 2015 @ November 12, 2015 @ Well, Lavigne started her career out by releasing an album that I still consider to be her most mature to date..then gradually continues to grow increasingly immature with each subsequent album as a whole and seems to have no clue how to grow up with her initial fans. 7:00 pm. 11:19 am. Random Notes Maybe Cris Stapleton will save country music. And Stapleton has gotten paid in the process. It is a misguided notion to think that all country music must sound extremely traditional at all times or it cant qualify as country at all. Of course not. truth5 . Bluegrass, country, roots, alt-country, and all the other sub genres all fit under the Americana banner for me but I also dont love it as a descriptor. Take Chris Young, for instance. Florida Georgia line is too Country what Warrent was to Heavy Metal, the last gasp. The song was released in November 2015 as the singer's third single overall. I DO think you see this from Confession being released. 11:37 pm, Terminator Jack Williams Its because his song selections suck. I would rather watch my 400lb boss wiggle his loose tooth with his tongue while farting Twinkle Twinkle Little Star then listen to Hunter Hayes. November 11, 2015 @ Howard Jones - No One Is To Blame 1986\r\rYou can look at the menu, but you just can't eat \rYou can feel the cushion, but you can't have a seat \rYou can dip your foot in the pool, but you can't have a swim \rYou can feel the punishment, but you can't commit the sin \rAnd you want her, and she wants you \rWe want everyone \rAnd you want her and she wants you \rNo one, no one, no one ever is to blame \r\rYou can build a mansion, but you just can't live in it \rYou're the fastest runner but you're not allowed to win \rSome break the rules, and live to count the cost \rThe insecurity is the thing that won't get lost \rAnd you want her, and she wants you \rWe want everyone \rAnd you want her, and she wants you \rNo one, no one, no one ever is to blame \r\rYou can see the summit but you can't reach it \rIts the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit \rDoctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain \rAspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain \rAnd you want her, and she wants you \rWe want everyone \rAnd you want her, and she wants you \rNo one, no one, no one ever is to blame \rNo one ever is to blame \rNo one ever is to blame\r\rMore lyrics: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/h/howard+jones/#share November 11, 2015 @ But consider a song like Luke Bryans Drink A Beer. First off, Stapleton didnt necessarily write this song specifically for Luke Bryan. Nice! Mike Honcho I havent ever faulted him much for the bro-country songs. But we wont be able to make that judgement call until years from now when we can look back at the puzzle when all the pieces are in place. 11:53 am. 4:04 pm, I said in this article, and even bolded the type, Stapleton paid dues., Robby Turner But for the smart guys like myself who like to have a deeper judgement on whats good or not, I was smart enough to not listen to his bro-songs, because even though I didnt know his name at the time, I still remember watching the Opry and seeing the same guy in the bluegrass band watching this guy actually sounding more like that one guy from The Marshall Tucker Band singing Cant You See. Chris StapletonTraveller 2015 Mercury Records, a Division of UMG Recordings, Inc.Released on: 2015-05-04Producer, Associated Performer, Acoustic Guitar, Percussion: Dave CobbProducer, Associated Performer, Vocals, Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Mandolin: Chris StapletonStudio Personnel, Engineer, Mixer: Vance PowellStudio Personnel, Asst. November 11, 2015 @ The CMAs Were Rigged. Unfortunately, I do think some people will use the title of the article as ammunition against you that you are the one calling out Chris Stapleton, or setting him up as a savior, or something. Even if Stapleton never paid dues and never struggled, he still put out an excellent album (with your help). james Season two brings the listener into the world of George Jones, aka Old Possum, aka No-Show Jones. As for performing with a pop star. 2:52 pm. Ive been calling Traveller country since day #1. 8:34 pm. Country music isnt a formula, it is a feeling, and Chris Stapleton delivers that feeling in bushel baskets. November 12, 2015 @ I only played football until 9th grade and then played baseball and basketball in high school and baseball in college. Relatedly, in the wake of burning down the CMAs, Justin Timberlake has submitted Drink You Away to country radio and may be plotting a crossover into the genre. You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Loves You - James Arthur Cheating - John Newman: 43. . If I can forgive Jamey Johnson for honky tonk bawhatthefuck I can certainly move past any of Chriss transgressions. November 11, 2015 @ Ill say the same thing I said with Maddie & Taeeven if you dont like this music personally, cant we all just shut up and be happy about the victory for country? 9:40 am, I wish I could leave a comment for the article, but it wont let me for some reason so Ill have to do it this way.
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